My Review of REI Stoke 19 Pack

Originally submitted at REI

Take your fitness training into the great outdoors with the REI Stoke 19 pack. It’ll keep you hydrated and carry your gear as you fly down trails.

Conforms to multiple uses and body sizes

By ducatisti from Central Oregon on 8/23/2011
4out of 5

Pros: Good padding, Lightweight, Comfortable, Highly Adjustable

I’m a Camelbak user from waaaay ‘bak’, my first pack was purchased in about 1991 and used until the material started to fall apart 5 years later. We were riding dirt bikes and ATV’s at the time, and have since branched out to adventure motorcycle riding, long distance riding (cross country), and plenty of hiking – we wear hydration packs for all these activities. My most recent Camelbak was my least favorite due to fit issues.

I’m female, overweight, and big in the chest. I’m also short. Not exactly the demographic for this type of product! So, I understand that I’m not an easy fit. I tried every pack offered by Camelbak and other vendors, and just couldn’t find anything that suited my needs perfectly, until I tried this little lightweight by REI.

This pack has everything I loved about my older packs, especially the moveable sternum strap – this allows me to move the usually too-low strap up to a higher point on my chest and redistribute the load very effectively. As others have mentioned, all the straps are very long, and would accommodate someone much larger than even myself, and all the straps have great retention bands to keep things from flapping in the breeze.

In regards to bladder size, I have a 3.0L Camelbak bladder, which filled to near capacity WILL fit into the holder on this pack. It is a VERY tight fit, and requires some work to get it in there, but it does fit. I have to insert the bladder as far as it will go (about halfway), then holding the pack by the top of the shoulder straps “jog” the bag up and down to settle the bladder in completely. This does bulge the back of the pack outwards, but it isn’t uncomfortable.

The rest of the pack works very well for active use, and I love that it is smaller towards the top. The main section can fit a day’s worth of food for 2 people, my small first aid kit, my utility knife. The outer zipper section holds my wallet and gps. The two hip pockets are awesome, and can be reached “on the fly”, these hold a bottle of asprin, lip gel, asthma spray, and still have room for more. The outer fly that’s held closed by straps easily fits my rolled-up rain coat (which is a man’s XL). The two mesh side pockets are great to stash a snack and can also be reached without removing the pack.

Fully loaded, the pack is still comfortable. We hiked 7 miles Saturday, and 12 on Sunday, and the pack never chafed or felt uncomfortable in any way.

I’d really recommend this day pack to people who’ve had a hard time finding a good fit in other packs.

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Final piece of new equipment ready to ride

We’ve planned, picked out, and packed up. The bikes are mostly loaded and ready to go. I’m at that scary point of feeling everything’s pretty well dialed, which means I’ll remember something essential the day before we leave, sending me into another frenzy of stress and worry.

Mike got me a neat little GoPro on-bike video camera for Christmas, but we hadn’t installed or used it yet. Finally Saturday we took some time and mounted it on Mike’s windscreen. Sunday seemed to race past, and by the time our chores were done, it was past 8.  We hopped on the bikes and rode into Izzys for dinner. On the way back, Mike fired up the little camera and it looks like it’ll do fine.  Sort of hard to tell quality in the dark though!

Gear – Heated Liners

A few years ago at the BMW convention in John Day, I noticed some riders walking around with tails hanging out of their coats.

Turns out these black cords were attached to a heated vest or liner. Being the freezing-cold wimp that I am, I thought a personal heater sounded like a pretty cool idea. Then I checked out prices and decided I could just add an extra layer of polar fleece instead.

Getting ready for Alaska, we knew we weren’t going to have the luxury to wait for better weather when and if we got hit with cold and wet stuff, and I knew from experience how being cold can really affect my riding skills and brain function.

So, we began looking at that expensive heated gear again. We tried on many different brands, and first determined that we wanted a complete jacket liner with sleeves and not just the vest. Price difference between the two was marginal, and warm arms sounded good too.

Next we looked at what the bikes would be able to run without running out of juice. The Versys could handle anything we threw at it, the F650 would be able to run the heated liner and grips, but I’d have to turn something off if we were idling through town. It was a hassle to do the math, but reassuring to know I wouldn’t be sucking the battery dry every time I turned up the heat.

For a heated liner to transfer heat efficiently, it needs to fit close to your body. For riding gear to work, it can’t be restrictive. Those two seem like they’d be mutually exclusive, but the addition of elastic panels allows the best heated gear to snuggle in close without strangling the wearer. Next we looked at materials and packability. All heated gear is relatively heavy, some is bulky. Some is made of polar fleece (bulky), others from a taffeta like material (like your suit coat is lined with) that doesn’t have much give to it.

There are a few major brands of heated gear, and we first looked at our favorite Rider Warehouse catalog (the Aerostitch distributor). This gear is top of the line, but also top of the price. http://www.aerostich.com/catalog/US/Aerostich-Kanetsu-WINDSTOPPER-Electric-Liner-p-18922.html Their Kanetsu liner is a fleece jacket style, and their controller is the standard high/low/on/off.

Next we looked at Gerbings, a company that seems like they’ve been making heated gear since the dawn of time. Their liner has a jacket look, and is nicely constructed http://www.gerbing.com/Products/Liners/heatedJacketLiner.html# of a heavier material. Gerbings has options for on/off switch, or thermostatically controlled units. That thermostat sounded nice, but we didn’t need the bulk that these jackets offer.

Finally, while checking out something on the First Gear site, I noticed they had recently added heated gear http://www.firstgear-usa.com/fgweb3.nsf/Products/BDE81FA82FD049C086257340005D8A7F?opendocument this was especially great for us because that meant I could purchase at dealer cost. Plus we loved our First Gear Kilimanjaro coats, and their new TPG pants are also great, so we knew we could trust their quality.

The jacket design used by First Gear (made by Warm and Safe) is a soft almost silk-feel material with no padding or insulation. The jacket is designed to be worn with a lightweight shirt underneath, then your outerwear on top.

Two things (besides cost) really sold us on the First Gear liners ; First, the elastic areas kept the liner close to the body, transferring warmth more efficiently. Second, the jackets were temperature neutral – meaning they didn’t add heat unless you had them turned on. Anyone who’s ridden through a mountain pass on a warm spring day knows that 30 miles of freezing air can be brutal, but no one wants to stop, add clothing, ride the pass, then stop and remove clothing on the other side. The same goes for summer thunderstorms where you can be hot one second, chilly and damp feeling the next, and 50 miles later hot and dry again. With the First Gear liner, you can crank up the heat when needed, then turn off the power and open your coat vents and continue riding when the temperature warms back up.

When you’re figuring the cost of the liner, you’ll need to purchase the liner itself, and the controller separately. First Gear offers thermostatic (dial) controllers in three styles; portable (move beteween bikes), semi-portable (add a mount to each bike), or mounted. We choose mounted because we felt they would be less likely to be damaged or fail.

Mounting the controller unit is not simple, but we accomplished it on both bikes over a weekend. I feel anyone with a basic understanding of electrics and mechanics would have no trouble. The most time consuming part is selecting a spot for the controller and then weaving the wiring through the chassis to keep everything accessible without being in the way, or in danger of melting. My only complaint about the First Gear controller is the circuit board for the dial is exposed, and can be affected by moisture. Although we’ve had absolutely no failures, the indicator light does sometimes flash after Mike gets done washing the bikes. This doesn’t hurt anything and the light goes out after a few hours. Still, I think this design should be updated.

Adding a heated liner to your riding accessories can help you reduce the amount of other cold-weather gear you need to bring along, and also reduce that Michelin-man feeling you get when you’re completely bundled up against the cold and barely able to swing a leg over the bike.

After using the liners for almost a year, I can say they are one of the best investments we’ve made. They’ve made riding easier and more fun.

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Update March 2010 – The controller on my unit started having some issues on the way back from Newfoundland. A spring ride finally did it in, and I thought we’d be ponying up for another one, but decided to give Warm & Safe a call. Ended up talking to the owner, Mike, and he was amazingly helpful and honest. He said we’d done everything right, and the problem stumped him. He paid to ship a replacement unit to me right then – so we could swap the bad for the good and not be waiting for the new parts! The new controller came, we got it installed and sent the bad one back and it’s all working perfectly again.

Although I’d rather never have trouble with parts, if I do, I wish all companies were as good to work with as Warm & Safe!

Clothing – Smartwool Thermal Underwear

Okay, so, who doesn’t own 3 or 4 pairs of ill-fitting, uncomfortable longjohns? Do you feel like any of them really do the job well? How many of you have spent good money on ‘special’ thermals that do keep you warm, only to accidentally throw them in the dryer and have them come out a size 2?

I answer yes to all of those questions – probably a few times over!

Getting ready for Alaska, I was on a search for thermals that would also double as our pajamas. I didn’t want anything too form-fitting or see-through, the thought of having to run to the campground bathroom in the middle of the night looking like a lumpy middle-aged sausage just didn’t really thrill me.

On an early summer camping trip with Steve, he was wearing what looked like a long sleeved tee shirt. He said it was wool, but it was soft, not at all scratchy. He mentioned the brand was Smartwool, and they were incredible thermal underwear that easily doubled as pj’s.

Order a size larger if you don't want a form fit!

Order a size larger if you don't want a form fit!

I’d seen these at REI, but after looking at the price tag I thought, “no one is actually crazy enough to spend $90 on a thermal top, are they?”. Well, count us as crazy, because we bought a set each. Fortunately Sportsman’s Warehouse was having a spring sale, so our cost was about 40% less than it should have been.

After nearly a year owning and wearing the SmartWool gear, I’m a believer! In fact, I’m wearing a SmartWool shirt right now.

https://www.smartwool.com/default.cfm

Wash ‘em in cold or warm water, throw ‘em in the dryer with your jeans and tee shirts – they don’t care. No shrinkage, no pilling, no fading. The shirts look the same today as when we bought them.

Used as a layer under your riding gear, it’ll keep in the heat without making you feel sweaty or clammy.

They pack up pretty small, not as small as silk longjohns, but the shirt doubles as regular outerwear, and you can’t do that with silk!

Wait until after hunting and ski seasons are over to start shopping for these, and you’ll find significant discounts, although color and design might be limited, we’re not trying to make a fashion statement, we’re just trying to stay warm!

Clothing – ‘wicking’ shirts

If you’ve looked at workout wear recently, you’ve seen these shirts that advertise their ‘moisture wicking’ capabilities.

I’d always figured it was just more hype, but after reading up on many hiking blogs finally realized that cotton isn’t always the best choice if you’re trying to regulate your body temperature. This ‘moisture wicking’ material is what everyone recommended. So, what is it? I went to yuppie-ville REI and checked it out – it’s poly-freakin-ester! No way!

I grew up in the 70′s. The polyester leisure suit was king. John Travolta was ‘Stayin’ Alive’, not getting offed by Bruce Willis in a bathroom. After disco bit the dust, I swore I’d never wear polyester again! Okay, times change and polyester is no longer hot, sweaty and gross. It keeps your hot, sweaty, gross body from being as hot and sweaty. In fact, you can get all sweaty in this new polyester fabric, and no one will know, because your shirt won’t have big dark underarm circles or be sticking to your back.

Sound too good to be true? I thought so too, until I ponied up for a few $20 REI-brand moisture-wicking tee shirts and we wore them for the first time on a ride in 95 degree weather. And I didn’t get all sweaty and gross feeling. Taking off my riding coat, the shirt wasn’t wrinked or wet, it looked like I’d just put it on fresh from the dryer.

I wore this shirt every warm day we had - this is 3 weeks into the trip and the only wrinkles you see are on my face!

I wore this shirt every warm day we had - this is 3 weeks into the trip and the only wrinkles you see are on my face!

For hot weather riding, I’m never going back to cotton!

An added bonus is you can wash these in a hotel sink, wring them out in a towel and they’ll be dry in a few hours.

Some have a bit of a shiny look to them, others appear just like cotton. The shiny-look shirts hold up better, the softer cotton-look shirts do fuzz up and pill pretty quickly. If you care about that kind of thing!

We found the cheapest price and best quality on these shirts at REI – yea, urban yuppie green team haven , but they do have nice people working there and some good quality stuff. Become a member for free, and you get a dividend every year – 10% back on regular priced stuff.

http://www.rei.com/product/732432

Parts and Farkel ordering just got easier!

For our buddies who order parts from me at Powroll, you can now look at the Tucker Rocky, Helmet House and Wester Powersports catalogs online!

Tucker Rocky

Western Powersports

Helmet House

If you’ve never had a chance to peruse one of these behemoths, you’re in for a treat (and your wallet is in for some pain).  It’s unbelievable how much cool stuff they list.

Once you’ve got part numbers, you can just email me with your ‘wish list’ and I’ll tell you when and how much!

Camping gear purchased. Hole in wallet confirmed.

Okay, not Alaska, but it looks pretty close, right?

As everyone on the planet probably knows by now (yep, we’re not shy, and we talk too much), we’re headed to Alaska in July.
We’ll be leaving July 4th (independence day, whoohooo!) and coming back the 3rd of August.
Our friends Steve and John will round out the crew. Of course, anyone else is welcome to go – but I warn you, we’ll probably be pretty grumpy and stinky (aren’t those some of Snow White’s buddies?) after 5 or 6 days.
At first, we planned on doing hotels every night. Then I looked at the average room price, and cringed. Then I looked at room availability during the height of the tourist season, and REALLY cringed! Soooooooo, even though we haven’t spent a night in a tent for more that 15 years, we thought a piece of nylon, a few poles, and a sleeping bag were looking pretty darned good!
Amazingly, tent camping technology has changed considerably since I last looked — okay, I’ll be honest, I’ve NEVER looked at tent camping technology. So, I became the idiot everyone tells stories about after work. We went in to Sportsman’s warehouse and fortunately were helped by a really incredibly knowledgeable guy who was able to keep from laughing in the face of my utter ignorance.
From this initial foray, I discovered that tents are incredibly cheap. This is offset by sleeping pads that are incredibly expensive, and sleeping bags that cost about what I thought they would.
I also discovered that it’s easy to pack it all into a small area – except a comfortable pillow. You can have a comfortable pillow – an bring the car to haul it in, or have a tiny piece of fabric with a few bits of stuffing inside – and fit it on the bike. The two are mutually exclusive. Given the choice, we went with small size. I’ll probably end up sleeping with my head on my riding coat, and wake up with Frankenstein-like zipper marks on my face.

So far, we’ve purchased the tent, a Eureka! Pinnacle Pass 2XTA. It was $90 at Sportsmans’ Warehouse

Our sleeping bags are Slumberjack, they’ve got extra room at your toes, and a hood for added warmth. We got two ‘shop worn’ models (the stuff sacks were a little ratty) for $60 each at Sportsman’s Warehouse:

The sleeping pads are Therm-A-Rest Pro Lite 3. It’s an itty-bitty little bit of fluff, but hopefully will do the job. Best price we could find on these was $76 from Amazon (with free shipping).

Funny thing, when we talked to REAL campers/backpackers about gear, every single one said ‘You’re getting a Therm-A-Rest, of course?’ Sheesh, that company must shell out a bunch of money to pay for all the word of mouth advertising! Either that, or the things are really that good – We’re hoping for the latter!
To keep things as simple as possible, and avoid being bear-feed (as opposed to feeding the bears!)

we also decided not to get any cooking gear. We’ll stop and eat before we camp, and eat breakfast after we leave camp in the morning. I’ll have some powerbars and trail mix in a bear-proof container, just in case.
We hope to get the new camping gear out for at least a few runs before the ‘big ride’. Anyone who wants to come along and point and laugh as we try to assemble the tent ‘in the wild’ is welcome!
______________Update 05/15/2008: Went out on the first run with our new gear, and everything worked great. Of course, we now have a list a mile long of NEW stuff we need. Went to Sportsman’s Warehouse last night and got a stove (yes, I know we said we weren’t gonna do it, we were WRONGGGGGG!!!!). After talking it over with the guys there, we ended up with the MSR Pocket Rocket . You do need the special fuel cannisters, but everything is so compact and quick, it just made more sense than the refillable setup. We also got a coffee press (mmmmmmm coffeee….) and one small pot to boil water. Since I’m darned good at boiling water, I should be a great camp cook!

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Update May 30

After a few nights on the small Therm-a-rest, Mike’s back just couldn’t hack it anymore, so we headed back to Sportsmans Warehouse and talked to our camping guru. He found an option that hopefully will give Mike more padding.

It’s the Therm-a-rest Trail Light, which is 1.5″ thick but still compacts down small enough for us to carry on the bike (not having to tow a trailer just to carry a mattress is a GOOD thing!)

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Update – Sometime in June

We weren’t staying warm enough in the twin mummy bags, so back to Sportsman’s we went, and Mike found a set of Slumberjack ‘tapered’ bags which zip together. They still have hoods – so unfortunately one hood is on top and the other is in the right location – but it all works out. This turns out to be a much warmer setup, and actually packs smaller in one medium-sized compression bag than the two separate bags.

Alaska Bike Picks

The bikes:

Pam – 2003 BMW F650GS (factory lowered model) – got it with 1500 miles on the odo, I think I doubled that number in 3 rides :)

Mike 2008 Kawasaki Versys – brand spankin’ new!

What we’ve modified so far:

F650 – Renthal aluminum bars (CR hi bend), heated grips, BMW handguards, heated liner controller, BMW expandable hard bags. Mike also created adjustable steering stops so my guards don’t hit the windscreen.

Versys – Renthal aluminum bars (CR hi bend), heated grips, heated liner controller, Kawasaki branded (Givi) hard bags.

Human Gear – Heated liners by Warm and Safe, new First Gear TPG pants, First Gear TPG insulated gloves. Mike got insulated boots by HiTec. We’ll use our old First Gear Kilamanjaro jackets.

The Versys will also get more dirt-worthy meats – Avon Distanzia. I’m still trying to figure out what’ll work best for extended mileage and decent traction for the F650. We’ll put new tires on before we leave, and also have new ones waiting at a dealer up in Alaska.